I used to think like 1 or 2 years ago that D will was the 2nd best in the league overall behind CP3. But after watching Dwill struggle this much after leaving Utah,I didn't pay too much attention at first because he was adjusting to a new team, also dealing with a couple of injuries aswell. But it has been almost 2 years and he still hasn't manage to play as an elite PG in a consistent basis.
Look at all the other PGs that are outplaying him this season.
D will: 16.7PPG (38%) 8.5APG 3RPG and 2.8 TO per game. His Team record is 12-9
Westbrook: 21.1PPG (41%) 8.5APG 4.8RPG and 3.3 TO. 18-4 record
Rondo : 13.2PPG (51%) 12.9APG 5.2RPG and 3.5 TO. 12-9 record
Kyrie Irving : 22.2PPG(46%) 5.9APG 3.7RPG and 3.9 TO 5-18 record ( He didn't play in about 8 of those losses)
Chris Paul: 16.3PPG (47%) 9.1 APG 3.5RPG and 2.2 TO. 16-6 record
Jennings: 17.3PPG (40%) 6.1APG 3.4RPG and 2.2 TO. 11-9 record.
Tony Parker: 19PPG (50%) 7.6APG 3.4RPG and 2.1 TO 18-5 record.
Is Deron Williams still a top 5 PG in your eyes?
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:30 AM
It's sad when a shot jacker like Brandon Jennings is shooting a higher FG% than you.
Yeah, he is kinda garbage right now but you can't just take away the skill and abillity he has; he is in a slump right now.
But yes right now he is not top 5.
My top 5:
1. Chris Paul
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Tony Parker
5. Kyrie Irving
Yeah, he is kinda garbage right now but you can't just take away the skill and abillity he has; he is in a slump right now.
But yes right now he is not top 5.
My top 5:
1. Chris Paul
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Tony Parker
5. Kyrie Irving
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:02 AM
Yes. He's still averaging 8.5 assists per game, and he's been without the 2nd best scoring option on his team for about two weeks. Not to mention he's playing though injuries sustained in his ankle and wrist.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:09 AM
PG is a position were teammates really make an effect on the numbers for a PG.
I haven't watched many Brooklyn games this year, but knowing he has scoring options everywhere on the team makes his numbers a bit odd.
I can only assume Deron is effected by the bad shooting of Joe Johnson and that Johnson likes to handle the rock a lot. Turning Williams into a spot up shooter which isn't his strength. He's a far better scorer off the dribble and in a rhythm.
I don't know. I can only guess.
I haven't watched many Brooklyn games this year, but knowing he has scoring options everywhere on the team makes his numbers a bit odd.
I can only assume Deron is effected by the bad shooting of Joe Johnson and that Johnson likes to handle the rock a lot. Turning Williams into a spot up shooter which isn't his strength. He's a far better scorer off the dribble and in a rhythm.
I don't know. I can only guess.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:28 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Rajon Rondo
3.Tony Parker
4. Russel Westbrook
5. D-Will
He's going to be surpassed by Irving very soon.
2. Rajon Rondo
3.Tony Parker
4. Russel Westbrook
5. D-Will
He's going to be surpassed by Irving very soon.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:42 AM
Yes he is still a top 5. We are only at almost a quarter of the season... he's still top 5. When Derrick Rose returns, he'll be back at top 5 as well. I'll just wait to see how this season plays out.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:59 AM
PG is a position were teammates really make an effect on the numbers for a PG.
I haven't watched many Brooklyn games this year, but knowing he has scoring options everywhere on the team makes his numbers a bit odd.
I can only assume Deron is effected by the bad shooting of Joe Johnson and that Johnson likes to handle the rock a lot. Turning Williams into a spot up shooter which isn't his strength. He's a far better scorer off the dribble and in a rhythm.
I don't know. I can only guess.
only thing is, Williams has been a terrible shooter every since he landed in NJ. I know ppl have been making excuses for his poor FG% but the sample size is ever grown and his FG% is still bad. D-Will greatly benefitted from Jerry Sloan's system IMO.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:11 AM
I think he is or atleast borderline I'd have to think about it. Even though his stats aren't great (well only his FG% really) his team is doing great so you have to consider that.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:50 AM
It's sad when a shot jacker like Brandon Jennings is shooting a higher FG% than you.
Yeah, he is kinda garbage right now but you can't just take away the skill and abillity he has; he is in a slump right now.
But yes right now he is not top 5.
My top 5:
1. Chris Paul
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Tony Parker
5. Kyrie Irving
A slump that has lasted for 2 years?
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:09 AM
Williams was such a perfect fit for that offense. Sucks how everything fell apart and Sloan's resignation.only thing is, Williams has been a terrible shooter every since he landed in NJ. I know ppl have been making excuses for his poor FG% but the sample size is ever grown and his FG% is still bad. D-Will greatly benefitted from Jerry Sloan's system IMO.
However, it's not like Avery Johnson couldn't implement the same offense, unless Deron for whatever reason is really against the Flex offense.
Like I said, it's kind of odd that he's plummeted in shooting so much. I haven't watched enough of Deron in NJ/BK enough to understand what's going on with him.
He even made the All-Star team last season, picked by coaches no less. So maybe they see something that I haven't picked up on.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:23 AM
He's always been, Even when he was in Utah.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:52 PM
No and he won't be until his heart is in the game which it clearly isn't in Brooklyn.
He was waiting for a way to get to Dallas if not get to anywhere else and it didn't transpire.
He was waiting for a way to get to Dallas if not get to anywhere else and it didn't transpire.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:12 PM
Hes been playing with right arm injuries the whole season
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:36 PM
I wanna see him 100% healthy to be able to answer that topic. But Right now, with the injuries, no, unfortunately, Deron is not a top 5 PG anymore 
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:59 PM
Yea. At number 5. Well it's a toss up between him and Parker for 5.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:37 PM
This season, he's not been a top five point guard.
1. Paul
2. Rondo
3. Westbrook
4. Parker
5. Irving
IMO, he still is a top five point guard overall, but Irving is catching up to him rapidly.
1. Paul
2. Rondo
3. Westbrook
4. Parker
5. Irving
IMO, he still is a top five point guard overall, but Irving is catching up to him rapidly.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:17 AM
Yes, he is.
He dropped to #5 because of his terrible shooting percentage. However, people don't realize is that Deron is playing through two injuries on his right shooting arm. It doesn't help that he's basically a spot up shooter, and his shots are a bit off. He doesn't attack the basket and create for himself of the dribble (in terms of looking for his own shot) as he used to before and that has also taken a bit at his efficiency.
Even when he attacks the basket, the D is so focused on him and he makes the assists. Before his FG% was somewhat decent (42-44%), I'd say he was in the discussion for #1 PG in the league. I still think he can get back, but he needs to find ways to get closer to the basket because those missed shots are effecting his confidence when ever he pulls up for another shot which has proved to be an issue.
He dropped to #5 because of his terrible shooting percentage. However, people don't realize is that Deron is playing through two injuries on his right shooting arm. It doesn't help that he's basically a spot up shooter, and his shots are a bit off. He doesn't attack the basket and create for himself of the dribble (in terms of looking for his own shot) as he used to before and that has also taken a bit at his efficiency.
Even when he attacks the basket, the D is so focused on him and he makes the assists. Before his FG% was somewhat decent (42-44%), I'd say he was in the discussion for #1 PG in the league. I still think he can get back, but he needs to find ways to get closer to the basket because those missed shots are effecting his confidence when ever he pulls up for another shot which has proved to be an issue.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:18 AM
He's borderline for me... Some days he's in my top five, others he's not. He was one of my favorite players and I've tried to mimic some of his dribble moves and crossovers, but right now, he's not in my top five.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:39 AM
Yes, he is.
He dropped to #5 because of his terrible shooting percentage. However, people don't realize is that Deron is playing through two injuries on his right shooting arm. It doesn't help that he's basically a spot up shooter, and his shots are a bit off. He doesn't attack the basket and create for himself of the dribble (in terms of looking for his own shot) as he used to before and that has also taken a bit at his efficiency.
Even when he attacks the basket, the D is so focused on him and he makes the assists. Before his FG% was somewhat decent (42-44%), I'd say he was in the discussion for #1 PG in the league. I still think he can get back, but he needs to find ways to get closer to the basket because those missed shots are effecting his confidence when ever he pulls up for another shot which has proved to be an issue.
So basically D-Will have been injured since he joined the Nets? Because that's been the excuse for his poor shooting ever since his arrival
also not sure how you can say he'd be number #1 or in consideration with a slightly better FG%. HIs defence is mediocre to pedestrian at best as well.
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