CP3 is the lowest scoring player to reach 25 PER

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Thoughts on this one?

Proves how much efficiently Paul is playing and why he's #3 player in the league IMO

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#3?

1. LeBron

2. Durant

3. Paul

4. Carmelo

5. Kobe

I can agree with that

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We praise and praise and praise CP3 to no end, but I still think he's underrated around the league.

Even for me, earlier this season I said Rondo > CP3 so far this year. I take that back and am willing to sh*t in my socks and eat them for saying that.

What he does for the Clips is just not measurable. We rarely see someone like him in the league.

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Yeah, hes the best PG in the league and it shouldn't be hard to agree with at all, unless you're a complete homer and biased for another player *cough*

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Yeah, hes the best PG in the league and it shouldn't be hard to agree with at all, unless you're a complete homer and biased for another player *cough*

lol

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#3?

1. LeBron

2. Durant

3. Paul

4. Carmelo

5. Kobe

I can agree with that

How is Melo better than Kobe?

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How is Melo better than Kobe?

Defense but it's very very close and Melo is the key to his teams success and his team has the most wins in their conference

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Defense but it's very very close and Melo is the key to his teams success and his team has the most wins in their conference

In what universe is Melo a better defender than Kobe? Stats wise Kobe is easily better than Melo, yes the Knicks have a better record than the Lakers but that isn't really a fair argument, because of Nash and Gasol being out. And if the teams record meant so much, then can we say CP3 and KD > LeBron because the Thunder and Clippers have a better record?

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In what universe is Melo a better defender than Kobe? Stats wise Kobe is easily better than Melo, yes the Knicks have a better record than the Lakers but that isn't really a fair argument, because of Nash and Gasol being out. And if the teams record meant so much, then can we say CP3 and KD > LeBron because the Thunder and Clippers have a better record?

Nope because LeBron's all-around game and defense >>>>

Kobe is a horrible defender and has been for the past 2-4 years (give or take), Melo has improved his defense enough to be slightly below average to average at times.

As I said it's very very close, if the Lakers can gain some momentum and get some more wins, I'd give him #4

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Nope because LeBron's all-around game and defense >>>>

Kobe is a horrible defender and has been for the past 2-4 years (give or take), Melo has improved his defense enough to be slightly below average to average at times.

As I said it's very very close, if the Lakers can gain some momentum and get some more wins, I'd give him #4

Kobe is still a better defender than Carmelo. Kobe doesn't give a sh*t for help defense, but when he is guarding on Ball, he is at 34 better than what Carmelo will ever be. Kobe wasn't a terrible defender when Phil was here, 4 years ago was him winning a championship, he wasn't close to a terrible defender.

His defense is so overate, but some posts on HN make me wonder if people actually watch Kobe Bryant. He is still a good defender in this league and far from terrible.

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Nope because LeBron's all-around game and defense >>>>

Kobe is a horrible defender and has been for the past 2-4 years (give or take), Melo has improved his defense enough to be slightly below average to average at times.

As I said it's very very close, if the Lakers can gain some momentum and get some more wins, I'd give him #4

GTFO. Kobe might not be the defender he was 3 or 4 years ago, but hes still relatively good, FAR from horrible
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Kobe is still a better defender than Carmelo. Kobe doesn't give a sh*t for help defense, but when he is guarding on Ball, he is at 34 better than what Carmelo will ever be. Kobe wasn't a terrible defender when Phil was here, 4 years ago was him winning a championship, he wasn't close to a terrible defender.

His defense is so overate, but some posts on HN make me wonder if people actually watch Kobe Bryant. He is still a good defender in this league and far from terrible.

GTFO. Kobe might not be the defender he was 3 or 4 years ago, but hes still relatively good, FAR from horrible

I don't watch Kobe or you don't? his man defense is bad, he gets blown by SO MANY DAMN times. He is a LIABILITY, a TERRIBLE defender

Watch these and keep an eye out on Kobe's roaming, bad closeouts, help defense, not boxing out on defense, bad man defense, etc from here

I'm done here

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I don't watch Kobe or you don't? his man defense is bad, he gets blown by SO MANY DAMN times. He is a LIABILITY, a TERRIBLE defender

Watch these and keep an eye out on Kobe's roaming, bad closeouts, help defense, not boxing out on defense, bad man defense, etc from here

I'm done here

Wade does the SAME EXACT sh*t, yet just because he blocks shots people think hes a beast defender (theres a reason as to why the media doesnt talk much about his defense, hes not a very good defender). Kobe is a very good defender when he wants, he doesnt always defend because hes old and has to save much of his energy for offense.

Im done here.

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Wade does the SAME EXACT sh*t, yet just because he blocks shots people think hes a beast defender (theres a reason as to why the media doesnt talk much about his defense, hes not a very good defender). Kobe is a very good defender when he wants, he doesnt always defend because hes old and has to save much of his energy for offense.

Im done here.

I agree with everything except the bold because Wade is great man defender and is still regarded top 10 because he is still a great defender even with his sometime inconsistent offense

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I agree with everything except the bold because Wade is great man defender and is still regarded top 10 because he is still a great defender even with his sometime inconsistent offense

When he wants, just like kobe

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When he wants, just like kobe

Nope he actually defends well every game

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I agree with everything except the bold because Wade is great man defender and is still regarded top 10 because he is still a great defender even with his sometime inconsistent offense

Yeah, because 1 game and 1 video shows everything. I don't watch games? I haven't missed a game in the past 2 years,don't give me that [expletive deleted]. Kobe isn't the same defender but to call him a terrible defender is the wo rst thing Ive heard all day. Carmelo is no where near the defender Kobe Bryant is. Go check the boxscore and show me how many times a Kobe guarded man lit us up. I don't remember, the last time that happened. Sure, he doesn't play the same defense he used to and doesn't play help defense, but to call him a terrible defender and show us a youtube video based on one game is lame He is an average defender, nothing more, but terrible? He is by NO MEANS a liability on that end and always holds his own. Pls.

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Calling Kobe Bryant a terrible defender is saying he is a liability on the defensive end which is so false. He is an average defender and nothing more but to call him a terrible defender is like calling him Steve Novak who is an terrible defender.

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Yeah, because 1 game and 1 video shows everything. I don't watch games? I haven't missed a game in the past 2 years,don't give me that [expletive deleted]. Kobe isn't the same defender but to call him a terrible defender is the wo rst thing Ive heard all day. Carmelo is no where near the defender Kobe Bryant is. Go check the boxscore and show me how many times a Kobe guarded man lit us up. I don't remember, the last time that happened. Sure, he doesn't play the same defense he used to and doesn't play help defense, but to call him a terrible defender and show us a youtube video based on one game is lame He is an average defender, nothing more, but terrible? He is by NO MEANS a liability on that end and always holds his own. Pls.

[expletive deleted] no. Kobe is a liability and when does a Kobe gaurded man light him up? really because I think they make Metta guard the Melo's and Durant's while Kobe doesn't get lit up by Jason Kidd and Thabo Sefolosha and when he does guard Westbrook or Durant. They get buckets on his ass. Kobe is a liability. I put two videos actually and once every month there's a time where Kobe wants to lock down somebody but the other 12 games your just going to ignore right? average? HA he hasn't been an average defender since 2010. GTFO with that garbage

Calling Kobe Bryant a terrible defender is saying he is a liability on the defensive end which is so false. He is an average defender and nothing more but to call him a terrible defender is like calling him Steve Novak who is an terrible defender.

He's a poor defender if that makes you happy

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[expletive deleted] no. Kobe is a liability and when does a Kobe gaurded man light him up? really because I think they make Metta guard the Melo's and Durant's while Kobe doesn't get lit up by Jason Kidd and Thabo Sefolosha and when he does guard Westbrook or Durant. They get buckets on his ass. Kobe is a liability. I put two videos actually and once every month there's a time where Kobe wants to lock down somebody but the other 12 games your just going to ignore right? average? HA he hasn't been an average defender since 2010. GTFO with that garbage

And you still have no proof for him being a terrible defender. He is an average defender, but he never gets lit up. Yeah, because Kidd and Sefolosha are the only defenders he guards. You do realise that he had to guard 80 percent of the point guards in Steve Nash's absence or did your you tube video's leave that out? Melo and Kevin Durant are SMALL FORWARDS which Metta guards, but the rest of the time Kobe is guarding the best guard. Unless you think Chris Duhon was matching up with the guards. He is an average defender, and far from a liability.

Awtawn Jamison/Steve Novak type players are liabilities. Carmelo Anthony (in past years) type players are liabilities. It's not even worth arguing if you really think he is a defensive liabilitiy, I mean come on dude.

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And you still have no proof for him being a terrible defender. He is an average defender, but he never gets lit up. Yeah, because Kidd and Sefolosha are the only defenders he guards. You do realise that he had to guard 80 percent of the point guards in Steve Nash's absence or did your you tube video's leave that out? Melo and Kevin Durant are SMALL FORWARDS which Metta guards, but the rest of the time Kobe is guarding the best guard. Unless you think Chris Duhon was matching up with the guards. He is an average defender, and far from a liability.

Awtawn Jamison/Steve Novak type players are liabilities. Carmelo Anthony (in past years) type players are liabilities. It's not even worth arguing if you really think he is a defensive liabilitiy, I mean come on dude.

Oh you watch all the Lakers games eh? tell me why Darius 6'3 Morris was guarding Melo in the 1st. Those YouTube videos show what Kobe does consistently on defense. Which you apparently don't see every Lakers game you watch? Kobe from 11-now has been a liability, he's a poor defender and far from average

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And there is rarely only one good person on any team. Here are some of the people HE (Not metta) was guarding over the past month.

Klay Thompson (6-16 Shooting)

Evan Turner (6-16 Shooting)

Raymond Felton (9-26 Shooting)

Randy Foye (3-10 Shooting)

Kevin Martin (4-8 Shooting)

Roger Mason (1-6 Shooting)

Jeremy Lin (2-8 shooting) Metta Was guarding Harden if I remember correctly

Jameer Nelson (6-14 Shooting) Metta was on Afflolo, but I don't remember.

Jordan Crawford (5-17 Shooting)

This is the full past month of the people KOBE was guarding. I left out 1 game and that's the Bobcats which a guy that Kobe Bryant was guarding lit us up. So please, show me evidence where Kobe was getting lit up, and don't give me that Metta was guarding them BS, because I watched every game and Metta never moves down to guard SG's unless there lighting us up which rarely happens.

Oh you watch all the Lakers games eh? tell me why Darius 6'3 Morris was guarding Melo in the 1st. Those YouTube videos show what Kobe does consistently on defense. Which you apparently don't see every Lakers game you watch? Kobe from 11-now has been a liability, he's a poor defender and far from average

6'3 Morris played 3 minutes and he did that because he wanted Metta to come off the bench and not get Kobe into foul trouble. (I got that from practice reports IJS) And that Video from Coach Nick was based off one game.

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