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#1 OFFLINE   JordanLaw

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:06 PM

**James Harden or Dwyane Wade?? Who is better and WHY?


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:15 PM

I don't think I'm being bias when I say still Dwyane Wade. Harden's scoring on higher volume, but not with more efficiency, as he's only shooting 45%.
Wade's above the 50% mark, and their other stats look very similar. The factor here, was knowing Wade has taken the second fiddle option, while Harden has actually become the first, on a worse team. Naturally, Harden is playing 38 minutes a game while Wade is clocking in 33 and producing more or less what Harden is, but with less shots taken.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

I don't think I'm being bias when I say still Dwyane Wade. Harden's scoring on higher volume, but not with more efficiency, as he's only shooting 45%.
Wade's above the 50% mark, and their other stats look very similar. The factor here, was knowing Wade has taken the second fiddle option, while Harden has actually become the first, on a worse team. Naturally, Harden is playing 38 minutes a game while Wade is clocking in 33 and producing more or less what Harden is, but with less shots taken.

Yeah, I say that Wade is still better. Dante's post basically summed up everything I was gonna say.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

Literally the only way you can compare them right now is because Wade is banged up and 7 years older.

I'll still take Wade.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

Per 36: Wade 22.1 pts, 4.6 rebs, 5 asts, .579 TS%,
Harden 24.2pts, 4.2 rebs, 5 asts, .604TS%

Statistically it's Harden, as he scores more points, more efficiently, assists equally with poorer teammates and rebounds just as well. In the past, i would give it to Wade because he plays better defense but his defense is terrible this season so I give it to Harden
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:26 PM

Wade is still a better defender than Harden

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:26 PM

Per 36: Wade 22.1 pts, 4.6 rebs, 5 asts, .579 TS%,
Harden 24.2pts, 4.2 rebs, 5 asts, .604TS%

Statistically it's Harden, as he scores more points, more efficiently, assists equally with poorer teammates and rebounds just as well. In the past, i would give it to Wade because he plays better defense but his defense is terrible this season so I give it to Harden

I'd like to see those stats with Harden playing with Lebron and Bosh.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:30 PM

I'd like to see those stats with Harden playing with Lebron and Bosh.

Just look last year when he played with Westbrook and Durant...

Rounding up.... 17pts 4rebs 4 ast.

I'm not knocking Harden, but I think that Wade not being 100% and 7 years older is the only thing that makes this even debatable.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:31 PM

I'd like to see those stats with Harden playing with Lebron and Bosh.

The TS% would go tgrough the roof
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:33 PM

I take both. Im just the best like that lol.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:34 PM

The TS% would go tgrough the roof

Who cares

http://insider.espn....trueShootingPct

Doesn't say much about the overall game of the player

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

Well Honestly his scoring is a bit higher because of the offense the rockets play which is run and gun

As for the heat they play a offense based around James more than they would rely on Wade .

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:48 PM

Who cares

http://insider.espn....trueShootingPct

Doesn't say much about the overall game of the player

Dwyane Wade has a lower usage rate than James Harden and is still putting up around the same numbers.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:51 PM

Who cares

http://insider.espn....trueShootingPct

Doesn't say much about the overall game of the player

Its the ultimate way of calculating efficiency (3pts and FT% are included), Harden scores more points, more efficiently, assists as much even if he plays with acrubs and plays better D.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:10 PM

Dwyane Wade has a lower usage rate than James Harden and is still putting up around the same numbers.

Which is why Wade is better

Its the ultimate way of calculating efficiency (3pts and FT% are included), Harden scores more points, more efficiently, assists as much even if he plays with scrubs and plays better D.

Of course if you play with scrubs you are going to get more points assists, ect. Those numbers would decrease with playing with Lebron and Bosh if he and Wade switched places.

His efficiency wouldn't really change significantly no matter who he plays with, only his totals.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:11 PM

Which is why Wade is better


Of course if you play with scrubs you are going to get more points assists, ect. Those numbers would decrease with playing with Lebron and Bosh if he and Wade switched places.

His efficiency wouldn't really change significantly no matter who he plays with, only his totals.

Why wouldnt his efficiency go up if the other numbers go down, you don't make sense
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

Wade still, but really, this season, its closer than a lot would think.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

Why wouldnt his efficiency go up if the other numbers go down, you don't make sense

Dude..

Because totals have nothing to do with efficiency.

Hypothetical:
10/20 = 50%fg 20 points
5/10=50%fg 10 points

Same efficiency

Harden would have much less shot attempts and other stat totals on the Heat. Efficiency wouldn't necessarily decrease.

Harden's TS% is barely different from last year, but his numbers this year are much metter.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

Which is why Wade is better

That's what I was trying to prove...

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

Probly dwade because the numbers he puts up with LBJ andvBosh. But also the reason Harden is less efficient is because he's the main point the defense looks at, when you have Lebron James on your team then of course you efficiency will go up as you get more open looks and you don't have to take bad shots as often. Also not tonamention Boshand all those three point shooters that could get him more easy bucjets.




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