Players like "Tmac" , "Nash" , "Dirk", "VC" , "Melo" etc etc are always being disrespected by a certain group of NBA fans because they don't play full time on the defensive end of the floor & haven't been named to the "all defensive team 1st or 2nd" in their careers.
I remember talking to my boss who was a big fan of the NBA during the 80's & 90's. He doesn't watch the NBA right now because he thinks the players are inconsistant and full of thugs. His opinion on some of the new NBA stars like Derrick Rose , Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin. "How are they winners?When they can't even play defense. Defense wins championships". Regardless of how good of a scorer you are.
Are you one of those people that say "STAR LEVEL" players that don't play defense fulltime are "OVERRATED"
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:39 PM
Team defense wins championships.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:43 PM
Thats pretty stupid imo. Players have different roles on their team, some for scoring, defense, passing, ect. The game has changed anyway. Ironic because Rose is a very good defender, with Griffin and Durant neither being defensive liabilities. Durant was 3 wins away from a championship last year, Rose a few wins away from the finals in '11 so they are all winners.Players like "Tmac" , "Nash" , "Dirk", "VC" , "Melo" etc etc are always being disrespected by a certain group of NBA fans because they don't play full time on the defensive end of the floor & haven't been named to the "all defensive team 1st or 2nd" in their careers.
I remember talking to my boss who was a big fan of the NBA during the 80's & 90's. He doesn't watch the NBA right now because he thinks the players are inconsistant and full of thugs. His opinion on some of the new NBA stars like Derrick Rose , Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin. "How are they winners?When they can't even play defense. Defense wins championships". Regardless of how good of a scorer you are.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:34 PM
Yer boss should get over himself.
Basketball is basketball.
Rules change and the players adapt to the rule changes.
There are fewer two way players in the NBA, but I don't think that quantifies a player not being a superstar or not.
It means that he isn't a complete player, but if I was offered Carmelo Anthony for Josh Smith, I 'd take Anthony. Josh can defend multiple positions and is a better than average scorer... but he ain't gonna' cause problem like Melo' would.
Just because someone can play both ends of the court doesn't mean they actually dominate the game better than another player who is extremely dominate in what they do offensively or defensively.
There were plenty of superstar that didn't defend in the NBA in the 80's and 90's.
Basketball is basketball.
Rules change and the players adapt to the rule changes.
There are fewer two way players in the NBA, but I don't think that quantifies a player not being a superstar or not.
It means that he isn't a complete player, but if I was offered Carmelo Anthony for Josh Smith, I 'd take Anthony. Josh can defend multiple positions and is a better than average scorer... but he ain't gonna' cause problem like Melo' would.
Just because someone can play both ends of the court doesn't mean they actually dominate the game better than another player who is extremely dominate in what they do offensively or defensively.
There were plenty of superstar that didn't defend in the NBA in the 80's and 90's.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:53 PM
For a player to be one of the very best in the NBA he should be good at basketball. Not just scoring, not just passing, not just defense. He should be good at every aspect of the game.
How come a one-dimensional scorer can be regarded as the best player in the NBA but a guy like Rodman couldn't?
I disagree about being inconsistent and full of thugs (Which is silly because the NBA is full of politically correct people with fanbases who think trashtalk is a crime), and I would never go as far as to stop watching the NBA, but I agree with the rest.
How come a one-dimensional scorer can be regarded as the best player in the NBA but a guy like Rodman couldn't?
I disagree about being inconsistent and full of thugs (Which is silly because the NBA is full of politically correct people with fanbases who think trashtalk is a crime), and I would never go as far as to stop watching the NBA, but I agree with the rest.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:31 PM
In order to be a star, you don't necassarily need to be an all-around beast, but in order to be a superstar, then yes, you need to be all-around or at least not be a liability on one end of the floor and be great at the other end (Durant for example who can be argued though as a good defender).
There are more things though that you need in order to be a superstar, like decision making and leadership.
There are more things though that you need in order to be a superstar, like decision making and leadership.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:51 PM
Only Dirk won a ship out of that group. I rest my case. Dirk had to have a Defensive MVP by his side to do so even lol.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:10 PM
Absolutely. As a basketball player, you spend pretty much half your time on the defensive side of the game. Whilst there is obviously the impacts of team defense and defensive philosophy to consider, in my opinion, inability on the defensive end seriously lowers a player's "ceiling" in terms of how highly they can be realistically rated. Not to say that players like Melo and Nash aren't supremely gifted basketball players, but the value of a player to drop 25ppg or dish out 15 assists is lowered significantly when he constantly gets blown by or falls asleep on his rotation.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:37 PM
Defense is part of basketball, but individual defense is not nearly as important as individual offense. A player's defensive deficiencies can be easily covered by a good defensive team system, even if none of your team's players are excellent defenders having a good orientation and defensive will make up for it.
Just look at the Lakers this season, they have 2 former DPOYs in their starting lineup, yet they keep allowing teams to score over 100+ points every game on them.
Besides, finding a superstar scorer is much harder than finding a defensive specialist.
Larry Bird was never a great individual defender, but the reason he had much success besides being incredibly gifted offensively was his team defense.
Just look at the Lakers this season, they have 2 former DPOYs in their starting lineup, yet they keep allowing teams to score over 100+ points every game on them.
Besides, finding a superstar scorer is much harder than finding a defensive specialist.
Larry Bird was never a great individual defender, but the reason he had much success besides being incredibly gifted offensively was his team defense.
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