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#1 OFFLINE   Jan_Sobieski™

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:50 AM

Do you think his career validates him being in the HOF.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:57 AM

A player who has won the DOTY award four times (all-time record), was one of the greatest defensive anchors in NBA history and one of the greatest rebounders of the last 40 years cannot miss the HoF ring.

He will make it to the HoF (IMO).



Not to say that Wallace was a better/more valuable player, but if Rodman can make it to the HoF, Wallace has his chances as well.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:01 AM

Hell yea

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

Accolades

Ben Wallace:
-NBA Champion (2004)
-4x NBA All-Star (2003-2006)
-4x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2002-2003, 2005-2006)
-3x All-NBA Second Team (2003-2004, 2006)
-2x All-NBA Third Team (2002, 2005)
-2x NBA Rebounding Champion (2002, 2003)
-NBA Blocks Champion (2002)
-5x NBA All-Defensive First Team (2002-2006)
-NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2007)

Dennis Rodman:
-5x NBA Champion (1989-1990, 1996-1998)
-2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990-1991)
-2x NBA All-Star (1990, 1992)
-2x All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995)
-7x NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989-1993, 1995-1996)
-NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)
-7x NBA Rebounding Champion (1992-1998)
-Number (10) Retired by the Detroit Pistons

Statistics

Ben Wallace Career Stats: 29.5 MPG, 5.7 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.3 SPG, 2.0 BPG on 47.4 %FG/13.7 %3P/41.4 %FT
Dennis Rodman Career Stats: 31.7 MPG, 7.3 PPG, 13.1 RPG, 1.8 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.6 BPG on 52.1 %FG/23.1 %3P/58.4 %FT

Wallace is 30th all-time in Total Rebounds in the NBA, Rodman is 22nd. Just by statistics alone, Rodman, who to me was another borderline Hall of Famer, is the better player. However, Ben Wallace was an amazing rebounder grabbing just under 19% of all available rebounds in his career, and one of the biggest presences defensively of his generation. To Wallace's advantage, he went undrafted, which kind of shocks you when you look at what he's done in his career. From not being one of the sixty players chosen to the draft, to setting defensive records; I think that Ben Wallace deserves a shot at the Hall of Fame. You're looking at a man who grabbed 25.6% of all possible defensive rebounds and blocked one out of every 20 shots that a team put up with him on the floor (5.0% BLK%) in his career. Rodman had a defensive rebound rate of 29.6 and a block percentage of 1.2. Wallace's PER (15.5) is also higher than Rodman's (14.6) for both of their respective careers. With all of this taken into perspective, why not give Ben Wallace a shot for the Hall of Fame? The only question is will he make it or not, which I think he will be able to do.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:14 PM

Comparing/judging by some of the guys already there, yes he should make it.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:46 PM

Accolades

Ben Wallace:
-NBA Champion (2004)
-4x NBA All-Star (2003-2006)
-4x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2002-2003, 2005-2006)
-3x All-NBA Second Team (2003-2004, 2006)
-2x All-NBA Third Team (2002, 2005)
-2x NBA Rebounding Champion (2002, 2003)
-NBA Blocks Champion (2002)
-5x NBA All-Defensive First Team (2002-2006)
-NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2007)

Dennis Rodman:
-5x NBA Champion (1989-1990, 1996-1998)
-2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990-1991)
-2x NBA All-Star (1990, 1992)
-2x All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995)
-7x NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989-1993, 1995-1996)
-NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)
-7x NBA Rebounding Champion (1992-1998)
-Number (10) Retired by the Detroit Pistons

Statistics

Ben Wallace Career Stats: 29.5 MPG, 5.7 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.3 SPG, 2.0 BPG on 47.4 %FG/13.7 %3P/41.4 %FT
Dennis Rodman Career Stats: 31.7 MPG, 7.3 PPG, 13.1 RPG, 1.8 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.6 BPG on 52.1 %FG/23.1 %3P/58.4 %FT

Wallace is 30th all-time in Total Rebounds in the NBA, Rodman is 22nd. Just by statistics alone, Rodman, who to me was another borderline Hall of Famer, is the better player. However, Ben Wallace was an amazing rebounder grabbing just under 19% of all available rebounds in his career, and one of the biggest presences defensively of his generation. To Wallace's advantage, he went undrafted, which kind of shocks you when you look at what he's done in his career. From not being one of the sixty players chosen to the draft, to setting defensive records; I think that Ben Wallace deserves a shot at the Hall of Fame. You're looking at a man who grabbed 25.6% of all possible defensive rebounds and blocked one out of every 20 shots that a team put up with him on the floor (5.0% BLK%) in his career. Rodman had a defensive rebound rate of 29.6 and a block percentage of 1.2. Wallace's PER (15.5) is also higher than Rodman's (14.6) for both of their respective careers. With all of this taken into perspective, why not give Ben Wallace a shot for the Hall of Fame? The only question is will he make it or not, which I think he will be able to do.

I was actually getting ready to make a thread about this, but you already posted the stats. Rodman and Wallace are almost carbon copies of each other. Very similar players, in the 80s and 90s Wallace would average more rebounds due to pace. Wallace should definitely make it, the guy gets no respect he was still in the league last year. Wallace was excellent defensively on Shaq in the 04 Finals, he anchored one of the best defensive teams of All-Time and also registered a rare sub-90 defensive rating in his career.
04 Finals: 11 points, 13.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 1.8 steals, 1.0 blocks, 89.8 DRtg

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:07 PM

Yea this guy deserves it big time @ISOMELO he summed it all up basically .
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

If Ralph Sampson makes it to the hall of fame but this guy not then the whole HOF is not serious and it's not a honor to be inducted there
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

You bet ya!!!

Big Ben is a lock for the HOF. He's one the great stories in NBA history, going from an undrafted end-of-the-bench guy in Washintgon to a 4x DPOY and champion in Detroit. His streak from 02 to 04 is just off the charts. His defensive rating in 03/04 is still the best ever and his defensive win shares that same season are 12th ever behind a bunch of Bill Russell's and Wilt Chamberlain's seasons and one Dave Cowens' season. On top, his afro remains legendary. Besides, if the NBA doesn't let him in, he wil force his way into it!

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:56 AM

It would be a crime against humanity if he didn't make the HOF...the guy is one of the greatest defenders ever.

You only have to look at his achievements for defense to know he deserved it, 4x DPOY...

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