do you think kobe bryant is a top 10 player all-time?

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here's what my top 10 would look like without kobe:

1.) michael jordan

2.) magic johnson

3.) larry bird

4.) kareem abdul-jabbar

5.) wilt chamberlain

6.) bill russell

7.) oscar robertson

8.) hakeem olajuwon

9.) shaquille o'neal

10.) tim duncan

if you think kobe belongs here, what adjustments would you make to include him?

or is the list fine the way it is?

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1. MJ

2. Kareem

3. Magic

4. Wilt

5. Bird

6. Bill Russell

7. Hakeem

8. Shaq

9. Timmy D

10. Big O/Dr. J

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1. Jordan

2. Kareem

3. Magic

4. Bird

5. Shaq

6. Russell

7. Wilt

8. Hakeem

9. TD

10. Big O/Dr. J/M. Malone

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1. MJ

2. Kareem

3. Bill Russell

4. Magic

5. Wilt

6. Bird

7. Shaq

8. Hakeem

9. Duncan

10. Kobe

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1. MJ

2. Kareem

3. Bill Russell

4. Magic

5. Wilt

6. Bird

7. Shaq

8. Hakeem

9. Duncan

10. Kobe

so you're replacing oscar robertson with kobe bryant?

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so you're replacing oscar robertson with kobe bryant?

Yes just in a different placement

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Yes just in a different placement

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1.Bird

2.Kareem

3.Magic

4.Wilt

5.Jordan

6.Shaq

7.Duncan

8.Bill Russel

9.Jerry West

10.Kobe

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I do not have Kobe

1. Jordan

2. Magic

3. Bird

4. Kareem

5. Wilt

6. Russell

7. Robertson

8. Shaq

9. Hakeem

10. Duncan

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10-11

MJ

Kareem

Magic

Larry

Russell

Wilt

Shaq

Duncan/Hakeem

Hakeem/Duncan

Kobe/West

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He is top 10 if you look at accomplishments and longevity.

If you look at talent, impact and dominance during prime, then he's not in my list

My criteria are more based on dominance and impact during prime.

I don't really have a list as I think it's too difficult to decide what to take into account and how important each criteria should be.

Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Bill, Shaq, Hakeem, Oscar, West, Bird and Magic (at least) were better players than Kobe in their prime.

But if you want to rank legacy (=accomplishments, totals), Kobe is above many guys.

If you want to take both into account, then, Kobe is probably in the tail of the top 10.

LeBron is better than Kobe ever was as well and I think Durant will be as well.

You can say that about Paul as well.

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I think he is top 10...IMO he did too much not to be...I don't think that LeBron is better than Kobe ever was,I can't say that for any player in todays game. He is what he is he will jack up as much as he wants to,or turn it over often but hewill games and rings and he is top 10...

A lot of people list Shaq better than Kobe IMO he is not...Shaq was always as one-way player as they get...Kobe was at times,in championship runs unstopable...

I mean My top 3 for sure looks like this.

1.MJ

2.Magic

3.Bird

the rest would look like(in no order...Altho Hakeem is my favorite)

Kareem

Hakeem

Wilt

Kobe

The Big O

Dr.J

Malone/The Worm

P.S I use the avatar only because I think it's cool and not because Im a Kobe fanboy....

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Easily

yeah okay :rofl:

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He's top 10 on my all time list (considering skill/talent, intangibles, prime/peak, longevity, dominance, accomplishments, accolades, teammates and competition, stats, rules...)

1. Jordan

2. Kareem

3. Bird

4. Magic

5. Wilt

6. Russell

7. Shaq

8. Hakeem

9. Duncan

10. Kobe

Like said above, as far as peak/prime overall player (skill, talent, intagibles, dominance, stats), that's a different story...

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I think he is top 10...IMO he did too much not to be...I don't think that LeBron is better than Kobe ever was,I can't say that for any player in todays game. He is what he is he will jack up as much as he wants to,or turn it over often but hewill games and rings and he is top 10...

A lot of people list Shaq better than Kobe IMO he is not...Shaq was always as one-way player as they get...Kobe was at times,in championship runs unstopable...

I mean My top 3 for sure looks like this.

1.MJ

2.Magic

3.Bird

the rest would look like(in no order...Altho Hakeem is my favorite)

Kareem

Hakeem

Wilt

Kobe

The Big O

Dr.J

The Logo

P.S I use the avatar only because I think it's cool and not because Im a Kobe fanboy....

UMMMMM NO BILL RUSSELL??????

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Yes. How many players in NBA history have 30,000+ points and 5 championships?

I don't understand the "he wasn't dominant enough" argument. Some of the scoring feats he accomplished in his career have only been done by guys like Wilt and Jordan.

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Yes. How many players in NBA history have 30,000+ points and 5 championships?

I don't understand the "he wasn't dominant enough" argument. Some of the scoring feats he accomplished in his career have only been done by guys like Wilt and Jordan.

How many players have led the league in FGA 5 times but only won 2 scoring titles?
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How many players have led the league in FGA 5 times but only won 2 scoring titles?

i just checked this and the only season where he lead the league in FGA PER GAME And not get the scoring title is last year...where he lost to Durant by like .1

Stop making facts seem different then they actually are to make him look bad, the only reason he has more FGA TOTAL in a season is because he probly played in more games than the other player

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i just checked this and the only season where he lead the league in FGA PER GAME And not get the scoring title is last year...where he lost to Durant by like .1

Stop making facts seem different then they actually are to make him look bad, the only reason he has more FGA TOTAL in a season is because he probly played in more games than the other player

getting defensive because i mentioned some of kobe's career failures :nopity:

He's had the most FGA in a season 5 different times (6 if you want to count this season) and he's only won 2 scoring titles. And it wasn't .1, it was more, but thats not what matters, its the efficiency and FGA that really matter. KD attempted 100+ less FGA and outscored kobe for the season and he shot 49% compared to kobe's horrible 43%

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getting defensive because i mentioned some of kobe's career failures :nopity:

He's had the most FGA in a season 5 different times (6 if you want to count this season) and he's only won 2 scoring titles. And it wasn't .1, it was more, but thats not what matters, its the efficiency and FGA that really matter. KD attempted 100+ less FGA and outscored kobe for the season and he shot 49% compared to kobe's horrible 43%

actually he's tied in FGA for this season( unless you once again use the TOTAL FGA) If you want to use that logic then Kobe is top 5 scorer of all time because of his total points and he actually did lead the league in scoring those times if you wana go by totals

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Yep. Based on legacy and accomplishments idk how you don't have him top 10, but after he retires and people begin to miss him then opinions will probably change.

i never said he wasn't top 10. i excluded kobe from the list i posted because i want to know your opinion and where *YOU* would place him.

I do not have Kobe

1. Jordan

2. Magic

3. Bird

4. Kareem

5. Wilt

6. Russell

7. Robertson

8. Shaq

9. Hakeem

10. Duncan

are you serious, or just trying to agree with me?

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Kobe is top10 all time. He will pass Duncan for #9 on my list soon seems inevitable...

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10-11

MJ

Kareem

Magic

Larry

Russell

Wilt

Shaq

Duncan/Hakeem

Hakeem/Duncan

Kobe/West

no robertson, why not?

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